Guns - Tech Talk

Discussion in 'Guns & Weapons' started by Cody Fousnaugh, Jan 10, 2021.

  1. Cody Fousnaugh

    Cody Fousnaugh Veteran Member
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    Sorry, Frank, I have heard of both words being used, "clip" and "magazine", but you are correct, "magazine" is what it's suppose to be called.
    As far as we consider it, our firearms are for either range/target shooting, or self defense. Yes, I'd have to get the keys, unlock the cabinet, unlock the trigger lock and load a magazine..............but, we like to keep our firearms locked up, period. There are those that have kids and don't have their firearms in a secure place. To many times that means only one word.........trouble!
     
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    A clip is just a storage device considered to be a bit faster in loading a MAGAZINE than taking them out of the box. Having multiple magazines is ideal if faced with a situation where time is of the essence and you have a firearm with an interchangeable magazine. The magazine is where multiple rounds of ammo are stored in a gun to be chambered individually by another mechanism.

    Let's take the Model 94 20" barrel Winchester for example. 5 rounds of ammo are loaded from the side and go into a tubular magazine. If you chamber one round you can then load another round in the magazine for 6 rounds to be fired as fast as you can lever them from the magazine to the chamber and pull the trigger. To reload one might carry a clip that holds 5 rounds, but each round has to be removed from the clip and inserted into the magazine.

    To return to the topic, for most personal protection purposes, one shot is all you need. Before you pull the trigger you should be trained to hold your firearm correctly, know how to aim, and make that first shot count. Sadly in today's world marksmanship doesn't count. It is about how many bullets you can send flying in the general direction of the target.

    I think pulling the trigger for so many has become easy because they don't focus on the target as a human, they just point the gun and pull the trigger as rapidly as they can. That is my reason for not having a semi-automatic weapon. Hollywood has made this idea of guns famous. Even some cops don't have the state of mind it takes to take a stance and make one shot count.

    Now, my answer to my own question is, yes I could but at what point depends on the situation. What troubles me is the idea that if I see thugs shoot my neighbor point-blank and start raping his wife, do I draw a precise bead on his head and stop this, or do I hope the cops will get there before others are killed or they come for me. If I watch them beat an old man dead with a crowbar in the street and then they come in my direction I would have no problem shooting them, but it would have to be a clean headshot, and after they refused to stop advancing. If they were carrying a firearm, then my shot would go off the split second they raised their gun in my direction.

    Now, what if there is an armed mob coming for you because you supported Trump? Do you kill as many as you can before they get you or take your chances of surviving in a concentration camp? I think with my age and health, I am a goner either way.
     
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    Herb Durant Well-Known Member
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    Hey ,Frank
    Have you ever fired an FN C 1 if so what's your opinion of it.
     
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    From several posts back prior "fire from the clip?" please explain that one, as a poster said it is a magazine that is inserted in a pistol no way to fire from a magazine or "clip."
    We had a stage in a match shooting from a bed laying down with cover shot 2 times 1st with weapon in night stand drawer with a magazine you had to retrieve it and load a round to fire at 2 bad guys 4M away, 2 shots each to COM. Then shot with weapon on night stand loaded at same targets, unbelievable the time difference in these times, one got the cover jammed in the action trying to load, most shooters were finished before those with unloaded weapons had even fired the 1st round, not a eye opener there at all. If you going to be prepared well then do so. Including practice not just stand and blast shooting bullseye targets. In the stage we shot loaded total times under 6 seconds were very easily done after start throw cover back retrieve weapon engage 2 targets 2 each to COM all laying in bed, we also have done this at night with flashlights, all done with live ammo.

    This would be a good training stage with marker inert rounds both for the good and bad guys, I would expect many in the bed hit when they started unloaded it would have to be a very well ran stage watched very closely but easily done..
     
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  5. Frank Sanoica

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    @Herb Durant

    Unfortunately, no. The FN FNC was designed as a military assault rifle, and I THINK it was made also in semi-auitomatic fire only for the civilian market. It is calibered for the same ammunition as our own M-16/AR-15s, 5.56 X 45mm or 0.223cal Remington.

    I am much more familiar with the FN FAL, the big, heavy military issue having a dandy little carrying handle atop! FALs became VERY POPULAR here prior to the Clinto Crime Bill, as they were about to be severely restricted or banned. By then, a great number of countries had adopted it as their military long gun, and parts were widely available. Argentine receivers were readily available, and the support parts could be bought anywhere: barrels, trigger groups, etc. I constructed a number myself. The Argentines were superbly finished in a hard, lustrous black material. at that time, one could be built for about 500 bucks. Their desirability rose quickly thanks to Bill Clinton, and soon prices were astronomical. Wish I still had one! They were chambered in 7.62 X 51mm, or 0.308 cal. Winchester, the successor to the venerable .30-06 of WW-II fame, used in the Johnson and later Garand rifles.

    FAL design was unique in that it had a field-adjustable gas piston system, to optimize use with the ammunition available.
     
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  6. Ken Anderson

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    I am creating this thread as a place to move some stuff that strayed off-topic from another thread, but pretty much any tech-talk about guns would be on-topic in this thread.
     
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    The FN C1 semi automatic was standard issue in the Canadian Forces Gas operated piston with settings of 0-10 breach block was interchangeable it fired 7.62 Nato rounds FN C2 was the automatic version I didn't much care for the C2
    They were replaced with the M-16/AR at one point you could pick one up surplus for 200. bucks the Canadian government eventually restricted all FN's
     
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    A Canadian special forces sniper has broken the world record for the longest confirmed kill shot. The soldier shot an IS militant dead from 3,540 metres, which is just over two miles away, in Iraq last month.Jun 23, 2017
     
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    The C14 Timberwolf MRSWS is now the main sniper rifle in the Canadian Armed Forces arsenal. It is highly rated by snipers, who like the rifle itself as well as the additional effective range and penetration the . 338 Lapua Magnum offers over the C3A1's 7.62×51mm NATO cartridge.
     
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    Personally, I think the whole thread should be in the health and wellness section.

    That C-14 sounds good to keep one’s health in certain predicaments.
     
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    I would hurt myself firing something like that bones would be flying every ware
     
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    Regarding sweet-shooting high-powered rifles, the Heckler and Koch model 91 military rifle chambered in 7.62 X 41 (0.308 Winchester) has the least felt recoil of any similar calibered rifle I'v e fired. This is due in large part to their unique delayed-blowback roller-locked action.

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    Frank
     
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    The FN had a good bite I need new glasses I need to enlarge your schematic
     
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    Its funny I'm having a conversation about guns the last weapon I touched was in 1984 after leaving the army I've never fired one again .
     
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