History And Abortion Rights

A person does not have to be a Christian to have this belief. In my opinion, it'd be wrong even if God had not said so.

Personally, I describe myself as 'pro-life, with an asterisk'- meaning, there are some situations in which it is not necessarily wrong.

However, what irks me most on the subject is the way it's presented- and the changes in the way it's been presented ever since Roe v. Wade. Currently it's the 'women's own bodies' and 'women's health care' excuses, and neither are valid. An unborn child is not 'the woman's own body,' and abortion has nothing to do with 'health care' unless the woman's life in is jeopardy.

 

I agree with that statement Shirley.

 

(this is somewhat different from the other thread, so I thought I'd start a new thread)

There's another abortion 'issue' you may not be aware of. I first started seeing this a few years ago, and it's found its way into Canada as well as the U.S.
While I initially figured pro-lifers will wig-out over this, it occurred to me the 'women's right to choose' side might be equally irate:

There's a so-called 'men's movement'- these individuals are pushing for legislation to make it legal for 'men' to force the girls/women to have abortions, claiming they should have the 'right to choose' also if they themselves do not want to be parents... read: do not want the responsibility of being parents. Some call it 'Roe v Wade For Men.'

If there's one thing I've learned: we can't afford to dismiss anything as 'just a few jerks- ignore them and they'll go away,' because that's when we 'open the newspaper some morning' and find out groups have achieved what they wanted

 

Ha ! The attitude of men !
They should use protection if they don't want children - can't see this one becoming law
What am I saying ! Anything is possible today

 

This is no surprise to me Janice. Maybe it doesn't happen as much today, but definitely in the past women have felt "forced" by the men they love to abort a baby because the man wasn't ready to take the responsibility for a child he helped create.

 

Unfortunately 'anything is possible today' is true, and this particular topic is only the most recent example I've noticed of a big messy 'domino-effect.'
As an example: think back just a few decades, could you have imagined individuals who commit brutal rapes would be granted 'parental rights' over babies born from those crimes?
The last I noticed- around a year ago- nearly half the states in the U.S. do exactly that!!

 

That is sickening and shocking !
I really don't understand what's going on today, it seems 'anything goes' and we really can't be doing with it, attitude

 

Until men can be pregnant, then they have no say in my opinion. I'm not saying that it shouldn't be discussed by both parties but if they can't reach an agreement, it's the woman's choice.

I do feel sorry for some men who have wanted the baby but the woman aborted it but that's just the way it is.

 

I'm planning to address it in my blog- if I can get it finished & post before comp blows out- but from everything I've seen it all started when the government or government agencies started forcing absent/unwilling 'fathers' to pay 'child support.'
And from law firm websites to 'men's rights' forums, that's the reason for all of these present-day nightmares.

 

I hope abortion becomes rare because unwanted pregnancies become rare. But I believe abortion should always be legal and available

Another thing rarely mentioned: You said 60 million babies have been aborted. Can you imagine what our country, especially the inner cities, would be like today with 60 million unwanted babies, many if not most living in poverty. Just think about the cost and the crime rate.

 

Wouldn't that be a wonderful thing Sheldon

 

Thanks for adding another issue I wanted to bring up: my own experiences (places I've lived, people I've known) do tend to back up statistics I read quite a few years ago- the majority of abortions don't involve girls/women who are living in extreme poverty, because girls/women in that category are most likely to either belong to a religion or ethnic culture that forbids abortions.

I don't have the statistics available, but I do recall it said the largest percentage of individuals who have abortions are upper-middle-class, white, and in their 20s and 30s.
And if that's true- as it seems to be- it's more about 'birth-control-after-the-fact' and 'convenience' than anything else.

 

@Babs Hunt ,I must point out that it was @Janice Martin who said that, not me.

 

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