Russia / United States

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  1. Martin Alonzo

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    Just a thought no proof. Russia came to the aid of the US when it was fighting against England. I know that was a long time ago but maybe nothing has really changed. Russia has been fighting hard to get rid of corruption and now has a strong Christian background. Why is Europe deep state so against Russia why would they make claims against Russia even before they have proof of anything. The deep state is going crazy trying to say there is a link to Russian involvement in the US election with no proof. It seem that they are so afraid that the US and Russia finding common ground religion or the idea of fighting corruption. It would not surprise me to find they have been working together to bring down the deep state. Both leader are strong men and united the deep state has no chance. Also it would not surprise me that Trump called Putin and ask what diplomats do you want to change out and we will have them removed for you. Syria Mr Putin would you please remove all planes from this air strip as we are going to bomb it if you want to leave some junk behind it is OK.
    Why are they trying so hard to keep these man apart???
     
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  2. Ken Anderson

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    I wouldn't be too sure that Russia is on our side. Russia is on Russia's side, but we have areas of common interest and we should take advantage of those. I think we have more in common with Russia than China, for example.

    I don't like everything that Trump does, but I never thought I would, but I do get the idea that he is on the side of the United States, whereas it always seemed that Obama was working against US interests.

    I think that the Russia thing has more to do with making sure that Trump doesn't have any successes than a true hatred for Russia on the part of the Democrats. When the Democrats are in charge, they have no problem entering into agreements with Russia. For example, Hillary making a deal with Russia for uranium, and Obama promising Putin that he would have more latitude after the 2012 election.

    I don't care about Russia, but I think that it would be in our best interests to work with them in areas where we have common interests, and to generally have better relationships with Russia. That doesn't mean trusting Putin to look out for our interests, but acknowledging that there are areas where our interests may coincide and taking advantage of that.

    One thing that the Democrats and the neoconservatives in the Republican Party don't want is for Trump to have major successes, and I think that's what it's about. Probably some other things as well, but that's part of it.
     
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  3. Don Alaska

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    I agree with you, Ken. I believe that most of the to-do has nothing to do with Russia; rather it is an effort to make Trump's job as difficult as possible. Martin, any war that Russia fought on our side against Britain was long ago and before the Russian Revolution, therefore a different (form of) government. For the most part the Democrats admire the Russians/Soviets and would like more of that form of government here. FDR was certainly a fan of Stalin, admired his accomplishments, and sent workers to study his methods. He didn't think he had enough political support to implement them here, but he did experiment with Communism. If you read in depth accounts of the Matanuska Colony Project here in Alaska during the Depression, you can see the themes of Communism throughout the entire thing. No, Democrats are not anti-Russia, Anti-Communist, or anti-dictator; they are just anti-Trump since he is trying to dismantle some of the "mini-dictatorships" they have set up within the government such as the EPA and The Department of Energy. He also wants to re-structure Homeland Security and the Justice Department to make them more effective and less partisan.
     
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  4. Ken Anderson

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    Russia was our ally during World War II, albeit an uneasy one. There too, there was no love between the two countries but we had a common interest.
     
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    They were briefly in WWI too, but in neither case was it against Britain.
     
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  6. Ken Anderson

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    Those who will criticize Trump for any overtures that he makes toward Russia will often argue that we can't trust Putin. Of course, we can't trust Putin, and we shouldn't trust Putin, but that doesn't mean that we don't sometimes share common interests. I wouldn't trust Justin Trudeau or Theresa May either, but we still have relations with Canada and the United Kingdom, and I certainly wouldn't trust Xi Jinping, but no one is suggesting we cut relations with China.
     
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    I don't think we've been at war with Britain since the War of 1812, have we?
     
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  8. Don Alaska

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    Nope. That must have been the war Martin was referring to when he said Russia was on our side against Britain. Russia was trying to become a naval power as a legacy to Peter the Great, and they viewed Britain as their main competitor in the Baltic, North Sea and North Atlantic. Their assistance would have been inconsequential.
     
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    Yeah, I didn't think they played a major role in the War of 1812.
     
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    Russia and England fought with the French. It was Napoleon's ill fated invasion of Russia, that led to massive losses and freed England to reinforce the blockade of the U.S. and plan 4 invasions of U.S. soil (Burning of the capital being one). While Russia did not enter into war with the U.S., the Czar of Russia did originally propose negotiations between the U.S. and England, however it was rejected. The Treaty of Ghent finally ended the war.
     
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    The Russians tried to warn us about the Boston Bombers, or one of the brothers, at least. They advised the US that he had been radicalized prior to their setting off the bombs.
     
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