The Education System Is Making Kids Stupid

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  1. Martin Alonzo

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    After watching these university students who have no idea of simple and obvious information.
    Like Trump's kid shooting dinosaurs or getting rid of the first and second amendments. It makes you wonder who was teaching them. It has now come out one of the problems is Common Core.

    * Search results from DuckDuckGo for “Common Core Is Making American Kids Dumber”
     
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    Hello Martin - good to see you :)
    Saw a programme last night on would be entrepreneurs - they didn't know when World War 2 occurred and ended
    They did not know what a Mortar board was - they thought it was a an implement for plastering walls ! :p
    I did this :rolleyes: several times
     
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    Only if they graduated university they would know the difference. The other mortarboard is one word and is use in plastering
     
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    Four states (Alaska, Nebraska, Texas, Virginia) never officially adopted Common Core, although individual school districts may have done so. Seven states (Alabama, Arizona, Florida, Indiana, New Jersey, Oklahoma, South Carolina) repealed it, and it is under review in four states (Missouri, North Carolina, Tennessee, Utah). The other states are Common Core members.
     
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    I never graduated and I knew
     
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    I would be impressed they knew that much about plastering walls.
     
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    [​IMG] ……………… You have a point
     
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    I must stop seeing the funny side of things
     
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    Patsy Faye please don't stop looking at the funny side that is a sign of intelligence
     
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    I agree..core or no core. I am irtitated that one of my GD had no idea about the names, or capitals of the other states.
    The more I talk to her the more I wonder...what do they teach them ?
    Too much emphasis on other things obviously.:oops:
     
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    I think they are too busy confusing kids as to what gender they are, rather than focusing on the more important life skills. None of my kids had even one lesson on how to balance a checkbook. My 28 year old son doesn't know how to read a hard copy road map.
     
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    The thing that really got me the most was the WW2 ignorance, people in their 20s up to 30 don't know that fact
    and the mortar boards - well they were focusing on Oxford and Cambridge, the home of the mortar board
    not important to know this fact, but surprised not 'one' of them did know
     
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    I don't think it's as important to memorize everything now, like it used to be. So much we had to memorize is at your fingertips, with the internet. More important to learn how to find out things.

    We were never taught how to balance a checkbook in school either. It's not that difficult if you can add and subtract. Maybe people who claim they don't know how, use that as an excuse. Pretty soon checkbooks will be obsolete anyway.

    I do dislike the excuse I hear a lot, "I was never taught that." You have to take some responsibility yourself.
     
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    They're not taught that either. It seems they are taught to not be inquisitive but to accept what they are told by those who hold the keys to the telling, such as the educational system and the media. They are taught to be proud of being sheep.

    As for memorization, I think there's a big difference between knowing something and looking it up, and I think that's where the two thoughts come together. As long as people are kept from knowing anything, they are dependent upon the sources from which they can look it up. Yeah, like so much else that's going on all around us, it's a power thing.
     
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    In conceptual learning (common core) memorization isn’t stressed in any way. It’s supposedly based on looking at the bigger picture of something then categorizing / separating everything in that picture to arrive at an answer.

    A nonexistent circumstance like telling the time might be appropriate. I write, “nonexistent” because certainly, almost everyone knows how to tell time but it goes thusly:
    Question: What time is it?
    By looking at the whole picture, we see that it is day time so the time must be somewhere between dawn and dusk. (Category 1)
    Category 2 starts with ascertaining whether it’s morning or afternoon. I just woke up so it’s morning.
    Category 3 might be to look at the sun to see where it is.
    And so on......

    Whole concept learning depends solely on one’s ability to reason a problem out by categorizing each aspect of that problem. It’s kind of like 4 quarters doesn’t equal a dollar but by way of reasoning, a dollar can have 4 quarters involved with the making of it.

    When we start studying Algebra, we start studying mathematical concepts which to me, shouldn’t be taught until the 6th or 7th grades but with common core.....it starts at 1st grade and maybe even earlier.
    They’re not taught to memorize the multiplication tables, as an example, but to reason through it by way of breaking down each integral part into as many categories as it takes to come to the answer.
    12x12 isn’t just 144 but 5 categories that makes the 144 a reasonable answer.
     
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