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This Coronavirus Problem

Discussion in 'Viruses' started by Thomas Stearn, Feb 26, 2020.

  1. Ken Anderson

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    They are being instructed to. From the National Center for Health Statistics bulletin on a newly-introduced ICD code for the Coronavirus, March 24, 2020.

    The bulletin acknowledges that laboratory tests are not typically reported on death certificates in the U.S. but it makes an exception in the case of the Coronavirus. In discussing the underlying cause of death when someone who has tested positive for the virus, it makes this statement.

    Clearly, they want the numbers for deaths from COVID-19 to be high. Even in cases where they were not tested for COVID-19 or if COVID-19 was not confirmed, they are to report COVID-19 as the cause of death. Even when someone may have died from an existing COPD, asthma, or pneumonia, COVID-19 is to be reported as the cause of death. When we know that they are fudging the numbers, what are we supposed to think?

    Please consider this. They want the numbers to be high. Why?
     
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    With the reporting of numbers so high, the population becomes frightened and will do anything to avoid becoming ill. Conversely, this allows the government to exert more power over the people. See all the orders coming from the President, Governors and Mayors. Never in the history of the U.S. have we ever had to show I.D. papers to any police authority just for being out of the house. Something to think about.
     
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    I saw a post about that boy yesterday where he also died once as a girl.
     
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  4. Cody Fousnaugh

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    Sorry, Bobby, but I guess I'm not stating as much as I use to on a reply I do. For one, as far as "our liberty and freedom" goes, we still have both, at least I believe we do. As far as the government "being in control"...…….why not?

    If whatever the government wants, and suggests, we do, saves lives, including our own...…….let the government be in control! Don't bother me at all. Unlike the younger generations, Baby Boomers and older have a much higher chance of dying from the virus. Now, if we all will listen, and do our part, like wife and I do, things should get better. Don't "listen" and "do our part", well, do we want this "Stay At Home" thing to be extended??? Like it or not, it could be!
     
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    Thank you for the clarification Cody but oooooooooo, do we differ on several levels.
    Our “liberty and freedom” includes freedom of movement from one place to another as well as from one state to another. This one singular freedom has been annihilated by the Feds and State governments to the point of in our state, the application of curfews between the hours of 10 P and 5 A. give the police every right to stop, frisk and arrest anyone during those hours.

    Another right is the right to bear arms. In our area, we can buy all the guns we want but since the registration portion of the Sheriff’s Department is shut down, anyone buying a gun has to wait before the Department opens back up in order to obtain said weapon.

    There are a couple of other issues I can readily state but for the sake of brevity, you get the picture. The police state has begun.

    Okay, why not the government? You ever hear the axiom of “give them an inch and they’ll take a mile”?
    The Constitution of the United States is written in such a way to keep the government from having control over the citizens. The founders realized that once a government is separated from the citizens and takes control it has the right to bang down your door for any reason, take your weapons, rule over what the national religion is and even determine what kind of underwear you can buy.

    Right this minute, with the inflated number of casualties the government has already determined that you have to stay indoors. Businesses have been mandatorily shut down and people are out of work and going broke.
    The next step in the takeover is to make the American public totally dependent upon the government as their life blood by giving us all a stipend of sorts so we can feed ourselves.
    Along with the stipend, we will receive whatever medication to fight the vastly over-rated virus free of charge.
    Over all, the people of the U.S. are being trained to take what the government gives us and learn to be grateful for it.

    I really believe that D. Trump is aware that between the World Health Organization and some major players are attempting to build a one world government but if President hasn’t caught on already to what the full objective is then the next step will come into full play.

    The 3rd step will be to dictate which businesses will be able to open up and when. I will guarantee that any business that is closely associated with Active Military, National Guard and the Reserves will be the first to be allowed to go into full operation and it won’t be to protect these shores from some other country.

    By the true definition of the word, there is indeed a conspiracy in the background and all we can do at this point is to pray a lot and wait.
     
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  6. Cody Fousnaugh

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    Funny, Bobby, but I will generally argue with you on our different viewpoints, but I guess I've gotten tired of that or smarter, don't know which or possibly both.

    IOW, Bobby, what I'm saying is...…..you're entitled to your opinion, just as I'm entitled to mine or ours (wife and I). Guess Ken having a "message" type talk with me, definitely helped me!
     
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    Do note Cody that I did not write that you were wrong or that your opinion doesn’t count but merely that we differ and then expounded on why we differ.
     
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    At some point, I think people are going to start taking their economy back. While the federal government and the states like to think that they can determine which businesses are essential, to every business owner, his business is essential, and that's the way it should be. If we are to accept that an essential business is one that is important to the collective rather than to the individual, then we are living in a communist county, and we ought to admit it. If I am a free individual living in a free country, then my business is essential.

    Even in our little town, we have a bar owner who is probably doing business with people coming in the back door, and we have hair and nails people who closed their salon but are doing business from their homes, and I don't think very many people around here would have trouble with that. I may be proven wrong but I don't think our local police are likely to enforce the state-mandated shut-down. I strongly suspect, and even hope, that there are churches meeting, although the big white buildings with the steeples may be closed, just as the early church met in secret while under oppression from the Roman government.

    Particularly now that more and more people are becoming aware that the numbers are fictitious and the hype is unrealistic, people are going to take back their lives and their economy, with or without the government. In the face of a real problem, people might be willing to sacrifice, but when that problem might be overblown for purposes that are kept secret from those who are sacrificing, this unity falters.
     
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    Do y’all seriously think that COVID-19 is a conspiracy for the governments to take complete control? Think about it. How many people world wide would have to be in on such a conspiracy. That would include President Trump since he is the one who is issuing the limitations on gathering.


    Let’s say, just for the sake of argument, that the number of deaths from COVID-19 is inflated. 11,000 people have died in the US as of Monday. Let’s say that half of them had preexisting conditions that contributed to their deaths. That leaves 5,500 otherwise healthy people who have died.


    Quote from Governor Cuomo, “Behind every one of those numbers is an individual, is a family, is a mother, is a father, is a sister, is a brother,” Mr. Cuomo said at his daily briefing in Albany.” I will add, a preacher, a nurse, a doctor, a bus driver, a policeman, a teacher, a child, a neighbor, a friend.


    How many innocent deaths would be acceptable to justify your right to assemble in a church, a movie theater, a beach? 5? 100? 1000? How many should give up their right to live so that you can have your right to assemble?


    70 People in a church in Washington state have tested positive for the virus. Most of them will probably recover. Some of them may not be seriously ill. Some of them will probably be deathly ill. And some of them will probably die a horrible, lingering death, gasping for every breath. I watched my husband die like that. I would not wish it on my worst enemy.

    @Bobby Cole , if you were to get the virus, you would likely recover because you are in excellent health. But if @Yvonne Smith gets it, it will almost certainly be a death sentence for her. Would you be willing to risk that in order to go to church Sunday?


    I also think it’s a bit hypocritical for people who haven’t attended a church service in years to get all torn out of the frame about churches being closed temporarily.
     
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    I have no doubt there's a virus, although there are various theories as to its origins. Every year when the flu comes around, there are deaths and, as with COVID-19, most of them are not otherwise healthy.
     
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    But just because people die from flu, does that make it OK for people to die from COVID-19?
     
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    Then, it would naturally follow that we should never be allowed out of our homes because people are always dying of one thing or another.
     
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    Nope. That is an exaggeration.
     
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    COVID-19 is an exaggeration.
     
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    Until it kills you or someone you love. One death is one too many if it can be prevented.
     
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