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This Coronavirus Problem

Discussion in 'Viruses' started by Thomas Stearn, Feb 26, 2020.

  1. Bill Boggs

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    What makes anyone think this virus was developed in a lab for weapons purpose? Any scientific dataon that?
     
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  2. Yvonne Smith

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    When this first started being talked about in China, one of the first pictures that I saw was that people were throwing their pets out the apartment windows because they had been told that the pet could carry the virus.
    It makes sense that they could, because the one called “swine flu”, which was a similar virus, was carried by pigs, and another one was infecting chickens, who were being put to death all over the world, and we even had almost no eggs in the stores for quite a while.
     
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  3. Lois Winters

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    It is just one of the possibilities being investigated since no one has determined where it came from other than China. As far as we know.
     
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    This also has been determined that it is not animal to human transmission, but rather, human to human.
     
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  5. Thomas Stearn

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    Here I heard that absolutely nothing has been determined yet. A transmission from snakes and/or bats is one possibility.
    I contracted swine flu. Was no fun. Suffered badly.
     
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    At first they were showing pictures about markets in China that sold bats and rats for food, and the news said that they thought that the virus had come from those markets.
    So, this is apparently not factual then, either ?
    That makes it even more likely to have been a manufactured virus, I would think, if they were trying to say that it came from eating rats, and it could not be transmitted that way at all.
     
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  7. Ken Anderson

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    We don’t know, of course. There are reasons for suspicion, however, not only of China, whose Wuhan Institute of Virology is located blocks away from where the outbreak began, but possible US connections as well.

    Shortly after the outbreak became news here, Harvard Professor Charles Lieber, chairman of Harvard’s Chemistry and Chemical Biology Department was arrested in the United States. Lieber, a nanoscientist, was part of a research program in Wuhan, the site of the Coronavirus outbreak. Two Chinese nationals were charged that same day, both with connections to the same laboratory in Wuhan and with different US institutions (Boston University and Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center). One escaped to China, and the other was charged with attempting to smuggle vials of biological research to China. We weren't told what it was.

    This was in most of the news outlets at the time, but I haven’t come across any follow-ups. Is there a connection between these people and the Coronavirus? I don’t know, but there is a connection with the biological laboratory in Wuhan.

    A shipment was made from Canada to the Wuhan Institute of Virology, carrying a label indicating a biomedical hazard, and there is a theory that a sample of the virus was stolen from a Canadian lab by Chinese scientists working at the facility.

    Only the most naive would doubt that governments throughout the world, including the United States, are actively working on weaponizing disease, so it shouldn’t be a shock that China was doing the same.
     
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  8. Thomas Stearn

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    I heard that these two Chinese nationals were whistleblowers pointing at a cover-up of the infective virus by some local government officials.
     
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  9. Beth Gallagher

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    My best friend's husband died from H1N1; he was 56 years old.
     
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    I thought they hadn't made that determination yet...?
     
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  11. Ken Anderson

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    We'll probably never know. In fact, I doubt we're ever told the truth about this stuff.
     
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  12. Beth Gallagher

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    The biggest problem is the widespread half-truths or simple fabrications that will be passed along as "facts," even by the news outlets.

    And then, such crap as this...

    The New York Times was widely mocked on Thursday over an op-ed column that criticized the White House response to the coronavirus outbreak by declaring that the ailment should be referred to as "Trumpvirus."

    The piece by columnist Gail Collins was headlined, “Let's Call It Trumpvirus,” and declared that “if you’re feeling awful, you know who to blame.”
     
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    The CDC confirmed that this is human to human virus and that it is absolutely irresponsible to indicate that a dog has contracted it from a human. I did not know a dog was supposed to have come down with it.
     
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  14. Beth Gallagher

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    I believe at this point, they don't know what they don't know. No one has said that a dog "contracted it from a human" or vice-versa. They have quarantined the dog and are attempting to try to determine whether is it truly infected or simply picked up environmental contamination. From CBS News...

    Patient's dog tests positive for coronavirus
    By Christopher Brito
    February 28, 2020 / 11:17 AM / CBS News
    As humans throughout the world grapple with the widespread outbreak of the novel coronavirus, a pet dog has been found to have a "low level" of the virus, a spokesperson for the Hong Kong's agriculture, fisheries and conservation department said in a statement Friday. Dogs, cats and other mammals owned as pets by confirmed coronavirus patients must now undergo a 14-day quarantine, the spokesperson added.

    The department said the dog, whose owner was infected with coronavirus, tested "weak positive" for COVID-19 virus after its nasal and rectal samples were collected for testing earlier this week. "The nasal and oral cavity samples were tested weak positive to COVID-19 virus," the department's statement read. "The dog does not have any relevant symptoms."
     
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  15. Lois Winters

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    Whatever.
     
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