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Discussion in 'In the News' started by Ed Wilson, Feb 13, 2022.

  1. Marie Mallery

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    I have heard some folks relate how easy it would be for the Russians to invade Alaska, but those people have never been here. It is true that they could come into Southcentral Alaska and march up the SINGLE main highway we have, but that would entail marching through the military bases. Marching or driving overland from the west coast would be impossible. I remember a yuppie medical student from California who came up here and decided that he was going to hike across Nunivak Island from south to north, as it appeared on the map to be an easy 50-mile stroll. One of the other doctors challenged him to walk just 1/2 mile across the tundra to a subdivision. He never made the 1/2 mile hike and turned back after struggling to go a few hundred yards. Driving, even with tanks would be much easier except in winter when everything is frozen but then you have to deal with the snow and drifts and low visibility. The Russians would certainly know this. The Chinese might not.
     
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    I keep reading and hearing the phrase 'Putin's invasion of Ukraine'. While literally correct, it's misleading. Putin's incursion was only meant to occupy Russian majority areas of southeastern Ukraine where civilians have been under attack since 2014.

    The recent counter-offensive by Ukraine, which was partially successful, has encouraged the western press to claim that Ukraine is winning this conflict. This isn't so. Ukraine's push was a major desperate last ditch effort where they gathered together all the veteran Nazi elements left to them along with thousands of raw recruits. The Russians were less driven out than withdrawn in order to lessen damage to majority Russian areas. The Ukrainian military suffered grievous losses to gain their 'victory'.

    It's all somewhat moot now. The Russians have changed tactics. Rather than fight a prolonged ground war where troops face and kill each other, Russia is going after the power, communications and transportation infrastructure of areas they don't occupy. Ukraine cannot win this war. They have all the best weapons NATO can supply but, quite simply, are running out of men. This situation brings with it a danger of escalation if the US or European nations decide to openly insert their own troops.

    The neo-Nazis whom Putin is fighting aren't just a remnant of WW2. They are Europe-wide and have been well-funded and armed by the west as a counter weight to what used to be the USSR. The fact that they remained poised to resist or invade Russia after 1990 shows that this friction is not ideological. The west want's Russia's resources.
     
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    I'm hunting for a source on the following which indicates that Iran's drone technology was enhanced by reverse-engineering a captured US drone. Does anyone else remember this?

    https://www.gov.uk/government/news/uk-sanctions-iran-over-kamikaze-russian-drones

    UK sanctions Iran over kamikaze Russian drones

    The UK is implementing new sanctions on Iranian individuals and business responsible for supplying Russia with kamikaze drones used to bombard Ukraine.

    From: Foreign, Commonwealth & Development Office and The Rt Hon James Cleverly MP
    Published 20 October 2022

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    • UK measures target Russian drone supplies used to attack civilian targets and critical infrastructure in Ukraine
    • today’s sanctions target Iranians responsible for supplying Russia with kamikaze drones
    • procurement is further evidence of Iran’s destabilizing role in global security and a clear violation of a UN Security Council Resolution
     
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    Both!!!!
     
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    YouTube has "hidden" this channel a bit, but so far, I have found it to be an impartial reporter on the Ukraine war. Here is a post concerning an interview with Boris Johnson. This guy also sometimes posts troop movements on both sides and weapons positioning. I don't know his background or knowledge on military matters.
     
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    Here is his latest on troop positions:
     
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    There is so much opposing so called news today you never know what you will see or hear. I would think with the satellites overhead no one has an edge. These new artillery systems are GPS guided so that tells us the US is in charge of helping the targeting using our systems.
     
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    Olena.jpg

    Madam Zelenska, when asked by the BBC about the privations that everyday Ukrainians will face this winter ...

    "We are ready to endure this," Olena Zelenska asserts when we sit down in a heavily secured compound tucked inside a sandbagged labyrinth of buildings in Kyiv.

    "We've had so many terrible challenges, seen so many victims, so much destruction, that blackouts are not the worst thing to happen to us." She cites a recent poll where 90 % of Ukrainians said they were ready to live with electricity shortages for two to three years if they could see the prospect of joining the European Union.

    That seems like an awfully long cold road, and she knows it.

    "You know, it is easy to run a marathon when you know how many kilometres there are," she says. In this case, though, Ukrainians don't know the distance they have to run. "Sometimes it can be very difficult," she says. "But there are some new emotions that help us to hold on."

    All Ukrainians will become stronger because of this war, Ukraine's first lady stoically predicts.


    I wonder if the Zelenskas and the rest of the corrupt government will suffer as much from the cold and hunger as those everyday people she's talking about.
     
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    Why does everyone refer to this administration as corrupt. They ran the communist out of their government which were the people doing the illegal and shady money dealings with their National Resources. These people are not the bad guys, the bad guys are in our white house and across the Russian Border. All the propaganda has consumed a lot of people. What are they supposed to do, lie down and let the Russians steal their country and kill their people.
     
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    The war is both more complex and simpler than you understand. I've listened to Russian propaganda, Ukrainian propaganda, Nato propaganda and more. The closet to the truth I've seen has come from independent observers on the ground in Ukraine. They tell a much different story than the distortions that you've come to believe.

    This is a proxy war between The US and EU against Russia, with the West's corrupt henchmen in the Ukrainian government acting the victim. The provocation of Russia went on for eight years, being mainly the harassment and murder of ethnic Russians in the four Russian majority areas to the south and east of Ukraine along with shelling and bombing of civilians in those areas. Having been invited to war by Nato, Putin complied.

    You're looking for heroes in a simplistic morality play written by western media. Here there are no good guys to be found unless you count the everyday citizens of Ukraine, both ethnic Russian and non-Russian, who are the victims of the machinations of foreign powers with no concern for them.
     
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    The latest update from that YouTube channel that I believe to be fairly impartial in their reporting here. The president of the EU has stated that Ukraine has lost over 100,000 troops in the war so far. That announcement was retracted, as t was supposed to be a Ukraine government secret, but it has escaped onto the internet anyway. This video also explains something about the "Price Cap" that the West is proposing for Russian oil. Seems like a scam to fool the European citizens.
     
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    IMO .... No, make that Hell-No!
     
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    Russians are now bringing strategic bombers into the fight in preparation for the winter offensive against the Ukrainians the execution of which will probably be the justification for NATO to directly address the Russians. Russia has also flown bombers into China for the first time to cement the alliance with China. There have been sorties into South Korean and Japanese identification zones as well to show the lengths to which the two Asian giants are prepared to go. Will we be at real war by New years? If so, this won't be like anything we have seen since WWII, and will make everything since look like a squabble. Since the EU has claimed that Ukraine has suffered 100,000 deaths (she may have been confused between casualties and deaths) and Western media claiming that the Russians have suffered 60,000 casualties...and things are just warming up.
     
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    I just read that the U.S. is almost out of artillery ammo, as all of it has been sent to Ukraine. Reports form U.S. sources said that the Ukrainians are using artillery at 30 times the rate we did when we went into Afghanistan. If they can get trained staff , I am sure we have the ability to make more ammo, but it will take sometime to ramp up production. Also the artillery pieces that were of Russian manufacture that the Ukrainians still had are out of ammo and obviously no more of that is to be had as it was made only in Russia. One Ukrainian commander reported that his troops were bravely resisting the Russians but they were fighting in trenches that were flooded and full of corpses. Doesn't sound good for anyone.
     
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