Was George Floyd An Innocent Victim?

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  1. Al Amoling

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    And we all are not saying that the cop was right
     
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    “As Much As Ya’ll would like them to be”? Are you accusing us, as in YOU ALL of wanting the police to have the ability to be able to kill at will?
    Talk about personal attacks! Heck, you attacked everyone and made a full claim that has absolutely no truth in it.

    Not one person in this thread has said it was okay for GF to be killed by that policeman. What is it about you Pete? Do you deliberately try to twist and turn things around so you can have a little jolly time?

    You also wrote, “I don’t care if the man was a child rapist”. Bubba, you’d dern sure care if it was your daughter who got raped so don’t give us that self righteous junk about Ya’ll because I dare say that if you were the person who caught him raping your daughter he’d be just as dead and by your hands.

    Personally, I hate it that the cop killed Floyd but he did and he’s going to stand in front of a jury for it but to give GF near sainthood at the same time is ludicrous.
     
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  3. Dwight Ward

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    I'm going to repost an email here that I sent out to my friends and family. It seems relevant to the current topic. The subject line was "a few thoughts on the killing of Raychard Brooks"
    My first impression of this recent killing is that this is not the best example of police brutality to use as a rallying cry for better justice. Firstly, the man did violently resist arrest over an offense that was ,in the broad scale of things, a minor charge. It is hard to credit the man with much judgement, since his escape from the police would be a much more serious charge than what he was stopped for. Also, how could he accomplish more than a temporary escape, since the police had his car, knew his name and where to find him. I suspect the man was not only drunk but drugged. His falling asleep in a drivethrough line is to me more indicative of drug use than simply being drunk. This would also do much to explain his very irrational choice to violently resist arrest.

    Regarding the policeman's deadly use of force, it is an illustration of the basic police tenant that if they use their guns at all, they use them to kill. This cannot possibly be the correct solution in all cases. Police are not trained to simply wound suspects even if doing so would resolve a situation. The policeman in this case could have fired at Brook's buttocks or legs and incapacitated him as a threat and prevented his escape. Then again, the threat Brooks posed was not a deadly threat. His firing of the taser at the police officer was more of a gesture of defiance than an real attempt to harm the officer. There were two policemen chasing him, not just the one. He really had no chance of overcoming them both and escaping.

    As I said, I don't think this shooting is a good example of police brutality. It is simply too arbitrary an event and has too many features that people can disagree about. I am interested in my family and friends' opinions on these things. I probably have too much time on my hands, more than most of you, and can delve into these issues more than most of you. Let me know your opinions about my two main points: 1) that this is not a good example of overuse of force and 2) that police are overtrained to kill. Just running from the police should not be a death sentence.

    Dwight
     
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    Something you all don't seem to understand. BoB violence has nothing to do with Police violence. The first is a bunch of random thug criminals killing their neighbors. The second is a bunch of organized thugs that are not properly trained of supervised.
    It kind of like I can kick my dog ,but you better not kick my dog.
     
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  7. Al Amoling

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    So in fact BlackLivesDontMatter as long as they're killing each other or Planned Parenthood is killing a disproportionate number.
    Thanks for the information.
     
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    Don't start on your abortion shit. So you don't want kill a bunch of inanimate cells, but you don't mind it at all when they become a viable being,that does not conform to your rules!
    Correct me if I am wrong but isn't the whole anti abortion circus predicated on the concept of "Thou shall not kill"?
     
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    I was shocked to witness the event on TV - just could not understand the police reaction at all
    They had his car so no need to shoot at all, in fact they could have pursued him in their car or got him later :confused:
     
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  10. Al Amoling

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    Do you ever get of that soapbox where you declare that only you have a valid opinion on anything?
     
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    Man, you just gotta write some big words without doing the research don’t cha? First, how is it that you classify those living, active and growing cells in a human woman “inanimate”? The only way they can be “inanimate” is if they are dead and you can’t kill something that’s already dead.

    Secondly, adult human beings have a choice and a human being in vitro has no choice about anything in any fashion.

    I do submit to you sir that it seems to be you who does not care. You proclaim to care about an unarmed adult human being being killed by another adult human being both of which have choices, but yet seem to say that it is okay when it comes to an adult human killing an unborn human child with no choice in the matter.

    Note: The “kill” portion of the Commandments is one of about 13 or so mistranslations and should be translated as Murder. But alas, you’re a smart guy and already knew that.
     
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    You guys seem very decided on the abortion question. I am not. Maybe by age 67 I should have come down on one side or the other but I haven't. It probably has to do with my similarly ambiguous opinion about God.
    I'm very aware of the central conflict - that a woman should control her own body, BUT does she actually "own" the nascent human being inside of her? I don't come down hard on either side. The reason I'm posting this is that the two of you seem like caring people and it's sad to see you going after each other in this way.
     
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    Hey Dwight! Great posts so far and welcome to the Seniors Only Club!

    Actually, the topic has little to do with abortion but since it was brought up in conjunction with the OP I felt I had to bring it in full circle.
    Perhaps all of us need a reality check and ask ourselves how much do we really care about life and death and what are the circumstances when we care the most or the least.
    Are we just as horrified by any life lost by another’s hand or is it only when a white cop kills a black man? Or, could it be that in reality, the whole world is jaded beyond belief and this whole thing really isn’t about life and death but just another ploy by those who hate the U.S. so much they wish to literally burn it down?

    Oh yes, on a less serious note. Do not be alarmed by the obvious contention betwixt myself and Pete. Politically, we both disagree on just about everything and things do get rather out of hand at times.....in fact, most of the time.
    Not to worry though, I believe Pete to be a man of good character and we do get along on other subjects quite well.
     
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  14. Martin Alonzo

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    I think black babies do matter. The idea that it is just a group of cells well that is what we are. That group of cells is alive and has a different DNA to the mother who is carrying it so this idea my body my choice is BS. The different DNA make it a different person so aborting it is murder plain and simple. To ignore this fact means you do not want to face facts. BLM are dead quiet on killing black babies.
     
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    The truth takes a while to come out and I guess they have now released some of the footage off the police body cameras and it looks like the media were playing their normal lies again. The footage just might get all the policeman off.
    George Floyd Police Bodycam Footage LEAKED, Video Shows It Was NOT Murder, Cops WILL Be Acquitted
    https://www.bitchute.com/video/shadHlhs7Dg/
     
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