Ken, For some reason I can't find the "103 years sentence" case...but here there is one pretty similar...My fear with this kind of criminals is the high chance they will kill again. """"Teen who killed 8-year-old boy gets life in prison with no parole www.wafb.com › story › teen-who-killed-8-year-old-boy... Aug 22, 2013 — A man who pleaded guilty in the 2010 murder of an 8-year-old has ... Teen who killed 8-year-old boy gets life in prison with no parole ... who was 16 at the time he killed 8-year-old Jackson Attuso, would be ... In 2010, Reese nearly decapitated 8-year-old Jackson Attuso who was ... Published 2h at 6:21 AM ..."""
Life without parole at least leaves the possibility that more sensible heads will prevail at some point in the future, something that execution denies.
Sure, and the more sensible heads -eventually- will convince everybody the criminal is "recuperated" after30 years sentence and should be released. He will kill again. It has happened.
They shoulda had you on a Dione Warwick episode of the Psychic thing she had going on. It has happened versus will happen takes a very special formula to figure out those possibilities. After all, I haven’t killed anyone since 1969. Look Syl, I’m not defending the guy in any way shape or form but treating the scenario as if it were a absolute real day fact (which it could be), we still know very little of the whole story. I mean, if you were on the jury, wouldn’t YOU want the whole story before yelling for the guillotine? Were there drugs involved, were his parents Satanists, was it a gang initiation, did he have a history of hallucinating, did he have problems at school, what was the trigger that set him off, Or.......is the kid just plain whacko and really likes blood? Yes, no matter what the reasoning might be, the kid still has to be held accountable but to what end? Just getting him off the street (or killing him) doesn’t solve the overall problem. Your thread is all about punishment but how about a solution so everyone can sleep well at night? To be honest, I do not think there is one but just in case someone in the els has an unspoken panacea, it might be a good time to enlighten everyone here and maybe we can stop thinking of punishment and start working on the cure.
Dern it Ken!! Don’t cha think that’s what China and the WHO are already trying to do? Which brings up a possibility. When I was a kid the threat was, “if you don’t straighten up I’ll send you to reform school”. I found out later that my Canadian cousins were threatened with a trip to Moosejaw if they acted up. Maybe we can just send our wayward young to China.....it’s just a thought.
I hope you never have to cry for the actions of a person who was released as "cured" from a mental inst. Enjoy.
@Silvia Benoit Have you ever seen Olivia DeHavilland's wonderful performance in "The Snake Pit"? I found a brief trailer which I hope will copy below: Frank
What country did you teach in? I'm curious, as I get the feeling that English is not your native tongue.
Hello? Hello?? The above rings up a Hasidic therapist sentenced for child sexual abuse. Someone here requested to know where you taught school. I believe you said NYC. What did you teach in what school? Just curious, thank you.
First, I ask how many of you have watched firsthand in reality another human die a horrible death? By accident? By manslaughter? By murder? By war? This is an important question because if you haven't then you really don't know about horrible death do you? Since this thread is about youth crime, I will address that. My first experience was on an elementary school playground at 1st and 2nd-grade recess. I was standing close, maybe 2 or 3 feet from a kid that was arguing with another kid when one kid pulled out his dad's military service revolver and shot the kid near me. Blood was splattered all over me. I remember this like it was yesterday. The screams, the panic, the horror in the teacher's eyes, etc. Whatever happened to the kid (age 8) shooter I don't know. We never saw him again. I watched my best friend in life die in an overturned open jeep (no rollbar) that caught on fire when I was 14. She was living with us one summer on the ranch and was doing a backroads run to the neighbors to pick up some gasoline. We had run out because the delivery truck had broken down. A kid about 12 that was known for being mentally deranged was out bird hunting on private property where he didn't belong. My friend and I both had past encounters with him and his family telling them he was trespassing and should not have a gun. As she was crossing an open board bridge across a ravine, (as best private investigators could determine) she was shot at close range in the face with a shotgun. Part of her right hand was missing indicating she held her hand up to protect her face. Long story short, the vehicle went off the bridge overturned and the gasoline spilled. The kid apparently got on his motor scooter and went and found his dad also bird hunting. The dad came and saw the girl had been shot and the spilled gas. he threw his cigarette on the gas and took off running. We and other neighbors were alerted when we saw the flames and several were at the scene, including me, hearing the screams, smelling the flesh burn, and watching her die a horribly painful death. It was 50 years before I could even speak about this. It ate me up inside and I still have huge old ulcers with old blood clots in my stomach. Luckily they still test negative for cancer. No justice was ever done because the sheriff was friends with this family and so was the corner. It was a sealed casket funeral and the body was never examined by anyone but the cornor. Later all requests to exhume were denied. No one was willing to hold the kid responsible and the fire was recorded as accidental and because the gas hit the hot engine even though the gas was nowhere near the engine and a cigarette was found about 12 feet away and a burnt trail starting at the cigarette leading to the vehicle was ruled pure coincidence. There are more incidences in my life, but these were the ones involving youth. A search I did later in life revealed this kid grew up to commit numerous crimes including several rapes and murders. he was never given a death sentence because of his "mental" illness and drug use. Last I heard ( 20 years ago) he was killed after a stay in the mental institution when he crossed the wrong drug boss. I think many times how much pain and suffering could have been stopped if someone had shot the kid and his dad after my friend was murdered. I will post starting another thread on the topic of gun ownership and pulling the trigger. It is off the topic here, but I wanted to make a point here that we all have opinions based on our beliefs, etc., about what is justice for an underage killer. This is why I pose the question here if you have ever watched anyone die. It is easy to excuse murder by children because of age and the idea they can be rehabilitated. I think every case is different. The kid that picks up a loaded gun lying around and goes bang bang while pointed at another, only to realize he/she has just killed someone is a different situation than a planned and savage murder such as Siliva mentions here.
Which is why I wrote, in short, that we have to know Everything about the case and the person before coming to judgement. And, I wasn’t trying to be funny when I wrote, “I haven’t killed anyone since 1969”.
Moppet, Please, do not take me for a brainless person. I am not one. I stated very clearly the case of the Hasidic counselor was a different one (read answer to Ken). I will find the case I mentioned at the beginning of this thread and I will post it all for you. Thanks.
Trevalius Guyus No, English is not my first language...and I was a teacher in NYC / USA............and I have the qualifications to do so. See, I am a Professor of Spanish with a Masters degree in Spanish Lang / Lit. So, your sarcastic remark doesn't apply here. And before you ask another ""question".........I can say what I must in Spanish, English, Italian and enough French. Adiós my caro gentilhomme
Faye Fox, I am glad you mentioned this case...because it was not the only one. I has seen students beating the s...t out of classmates, guns inside the schools, drugs, more than one student has been caught having sex in the school...and a lot more. Somebody doubts I am a teacher because "English is not my first language" LOL Gee, I am a Prof. of Spanish with 26+ years of experience...and a Masters degree from Lehman College / CUNY. I feel there is a general intention against this thread......Yes, like many feel there is not a need to see its importance. Sad, very sad.