Harris - Trump Debate

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  1. Denise Evans

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    I see them posting on places like Facebook/Twitter/oh, especially youtube comments! Other folks in other countries are wanting Trump to win for sure! They see what is happening, and I think a lot of the leaders are trying to follow his example as well. I wonder how many have bought The Art of the Deal :D I'll bet several ;)
     
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    Vada, I have been a member here for several years now, and I don't believe my views are a mystery to anyone. I don't believe anyone is good or evil based on their politics, and statements such as "the democrats want to destroy America" are pure conspiracy theories in my opinion. I know plenty of democrats; none of them want to see our country fail.

    I agree that there is nothing wrong with trying to understand what others believe. I'm glad the exchange brought you some clarity.
     
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    Yes, almost everyone here has been here longer than I have. People who haven't been here so long, like me, might ask you questions because they don't know you so well. I've got a picture now and won't need to ask you questions about where you stand on issues.

    As to conspiracy theory labels I think most of us have had that thrown at us many times about things that later on turned out to be quite accurate. Time will tell, conspiracy or not.
     
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    I said nothing about Democrats. I'm referring to the puppeteers at the top, for example the ones in the WEF who
    want to rule the world and everyone in it, i.e. the masters and their slaves. Look at the policies they've tried to implement over the
    last four years, though it's been going on for much longer then that - restricting travel, not allowing people to leave their homes
    unless they were going shopping for food, restricting shopping to people who wore breathing inhibitors, and they wanted to prevent
    anyone who wasn't getting the toxic clot shots from shopping.

    In some places people's bank accounts were frozen and made unavailable to the owners of those accounts.
    There are plans to put all money under the control of computers, so that people's accounts can be shut down and
    assets confiscated at the push of a button. These things are just a small part of their plans and they're not going to stop.

    You're welcome to think such people are not evil, and to not look at truths by labeling them conspiracy theories.
    Personally I choose to always see the truth, and then I can make up my own mind what to do and how to live my own life.
     
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    You quoted my comments about Democrats so I "assumed" that's what you meant. And I don't know how it's possible for anyone to always see the truth. There is far too much manipulation of facts in this computer age and it is difficult to know what is even real.
     
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  6. Bobby Cole

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    When Morpheus, Neo and Trinity get back, they’ll explain it.
    Meanwhile, welcome to the Matrix.
     
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    It's common to use labels such as "Democrats" or "Republicans" to refer to the political parties and the people who are in control of them. Rarely, I think, does it refer to everyone who is registered as a Democrat or as a Republican, although in some contexts, it is. When I talk about the Democrat agenda, I'm not talking about something that was signed onto by everyone who is registered as a Democrat because the average Democrat doesn't have one thing to say about the agenda. Most don't even know what it is, given that those at the top generally lie about what they're actually doing. However, when I say that Democrats don't mind being lied to, I am speaking about registered party members because that seems to be true.

    Registered Republicans are similarly confused about what it means to be a Republican. While they might read the Republican platform and find much there that they agree with, it is rare for elected Republicans to take a single step toward advancing the goals of this platform after they are elected. There always seems to be just enough Republicans willing to vote with the Democrats to allow the Democrats to control the agenda regardless of who has the majority.

    These are often people like our Senator Susan Collins, Mitt Romney, and the Cheneys, who are Republican only in the fact that they opted to register as Republicans. In practice, they are Democrats.

    So yes, it can get confusing.
     
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    I'm not convinced that things are anywhere near that simple.

    Instead what we have are a larger number of political interests (or positions on issues), each one being lumped in whole or in part under one of the two uber-brands R & D.

    Individual citizens and politicians each have their own bag of interests (or positions on issues) and either accept the trade-offs to embrace D or R or float as independents or cling to smaller "partial parties" like the Greens.

    Lately things are moving and shifting and allegiances are changing again just as they have in the past. This in turn has changed what R & D each "mean." Sometimes this will push people into the opposite camp. Sometimes the camps move away from the people.
     
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    Jacob said: "I'm not convinced that things are anywhere near that simple." And I agree.

    Equivalency arguments that Republicans are as bad as Democrats do not sway me. When voting is a choice between evils I prefer lesser and leave greater to others. Whether an equivalency argument is made to keep the peace or people really believe they are equal it carries no weight at all.

    The real choices in an election are made in the primaries where most people don't even vote, much less help in the grassroots work that produces the final candidates.

    I doubt this will post. Big red and black site errors are flashing up now and then. They remind me of Joe's angry speeches lit by red spotlights.
     
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  10. Denise Evans

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    I no longer put my faith in people, not where the rubber meets the road, my faith is in God. If I'm in pain, I don't cry out for Dick or Jane, I cry out for God.

    But there are people I respect, I don't "worship" them, but I see what they do, way more than I pay attention to what they say and President Trump is one of those people. As far as "the parties" are concerned, I so agree with what @Jacob Petersheim and @Vada Bloom said because I don't go around calling myself a Republican like it makes a difference nowadays to anyone, I'm a Conservative, when it comes to who I'll vote for, and yes, I'm registered as an R.

    I see so many not knowing which side they're on at all, but they want to be with whoever seems to be the popular crowd, maybe where they can make the most money. What this country needs most is a people that know right from wrong, especially that are teaching their children right from wrong. Of course there's always those of "us" that know we are doing wrong, but seemingly no regrets, or apologies until the pain of doing so brings us to our knees. At least that's my experience, maybe others are somehow immune to that, but I somehow doubt it, not in the long run.
     
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    I have seen analysts--some impartial, some not--now say that as the numbers continue to move, Trump may end up winning the debate by the end of the weekend. Initial results were that Harris son the debate by a small margin, but as the debate is viewed by more people on social media and polls and focus groups continue to be analyzed, it appears that the bias of the ABC moderators is swinging the results in Trump's favor. Some are even saying that it might have been the last Presidential debate in history. Sadly, it has been pointed out that the pre-scripted questions that perhaps were given to Harris in advance avoided any mention of China, as Disney, who owns ABC, is negotiating deals with China and did not want to upset the PRC. The bias was obvious to anyone who even watches a part of it and ABC "news? is totally discredited as a reliable source of information.
     
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    I think it was the Rasmussen poll that gave Trump a 6 point bump after the "debate."
     
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    I also heard on a couple of spots that because of the way the debate was handled e.g. Kamala’s friendship with ABC’s president, Kamala’s sorority relationship with the moderator, Kamala’s knowledge of what the questions would be, the method of fact checking etc., that there’s a very high possibility that ABC can be sued and charged for election interference.
     
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    I just ran across this tidbit that backs up Trump’s claim during the debate concerning abortions.

     
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    And that is what knocked the ball way out of the park, it turns out. Almost a week later, and that is STILL the statement that everyone is talking about, and has been all over all kinds of news stories. No one remembers anything else that anyone said, but this has certainly brought the Haitian and all of the illegals into more of a spotlight focus.
    Social media has been packed with memes of dogs and cats supporting Trump, and not wanting to be eaten, it is everywhere now.
    Even Joe Biden said it when he was wearing the Trump cap, “no eating dogs and cats”.

    Here is a clip from Tucker talking about Trump saying those iconic words.
    https://x.com/immeme0/status/1834793864323797032?s=61&t=UNPlGA482yAJlEEDagJOOg
     
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