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    I mentioned this series of experiments one other time on this forum but I think it deserves its own post. Scientists rely too much on “current” research, often ignoring or forgetting work that has gone before. My boss at the NCI, NIH, would get so angry about this in his specific research area. He would keep running across experiments being done on cancer in mice by people who were apparently unaware that the mice they were using carried endogenous Mouse Mammary Tumor Virus genomes and could just spontaneously start producing virus and develop cancer. He had his own strain of mice, kept in an isolated colony, that were free of viral expression, C3H/Smith, named after him.

    Anyway, this is an old experiment which I think should be investigated. What happens is clear, and grim, but what happens to the biological entity that is the individual mouse seems very murky to me. This has commonly been called the “Mouse Utopia Experiment”.

    https://www.iflscience.com/universe...periment-that-turned-into-an-apocalypse-60407
     
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    Hi Thomas,

    Thanks for the interesting article. I watched a youTube last night about the James Webb Space Telescope (JWST) that cost 12 billion dollars and 25 years to build. Since you read scientific news, have you read or know anything about the JWST that has become a perfect storm for our understanding of the Cosmos.

    For instance, the JWST has revealed super huge galaxies created within the first 500 million years of the Big Bang. This finding is totally impossible with the current model of the Cosmos which says it takes at least a billion years for any galaxies to start forming and they should be much smaller than the super huge ones being revealed by JWST. If this discovery stands, one of the conclusions can be that there was no BIG BANG!

    Please let me know if you have thoughts or other comments on the JWST perfect storm.

    Thanks, John
     
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    This (link) is the latest article I’ve read dealing with distant galaxies from just a couple days ago. Maybe it’s the same work you saw. If JWST keeps accumulating data of this type, there’s going to be a lot of rethinking of things. James Webb Space Telescope is throwing a monkey wrench into the standard model of cosmology.

    https://phys.org/news/2023-04-james-webb-space-telescope-images.html
     
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    Thanks for the link. I read the article and did learn some new things. Another new JWST discovery was finding carbon dioxide on planets outside our solar system. JWST does look like it will bring huge changes in our understanding of the universe and possible intelligent life elsewhere.
     
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    Toyota is working on dumping ev cars futures for hydrogen fuel cell cars. There are already fueling stations for fuel cell busses in Chicago and some in California.
    A good source of fuel is borax and we have the largest deposit here in the US. Interestingly enough the mine is owned by an Australian company.
     
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    This, IMO, is one place artificial intelligence can make a big impact. There are literally 10s of millions of permutations of combinations of drugs, foods, nutritional supplements, environment, genetics, etc. that go unnoticed by us mere humans. That is the forte of A.I., to be able to pick out those nearly invisible correlations, so people know where to look, where to perform experiments. Historically we have just been serendipitously finding many of these things while looking for something else.

    I remember talking with a researcher out at the NIH about her work with statins. She was in NHLBI so cancer was not in her mission. Anyway, researchers always keep records of any noticeable health aspect of their experimental mouse colonies. Mice get various cancers just like most critters and it’s something to note along with any other ailment. She was running the numbers and noticed that her mice receiving moderate to high doses of statins were having much fewer incidents of cancer. She said if she had more people, it would have been something she would have liked to pursue further. That was some time ago and since it has been found that statins do have an impact on certain specific cancers, but not all, and it’s not a huge enough effect to displace chemotherapeutic agents. But, maybe in combination with something else totally off the wall it would. So much is just a crap shoot. When I was working in the lab, I had a T-shirt that said, “research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I’m doing.”
     
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    Yeah, I was surprised when I first read about it. As you can tell from this paper, it’s now widely accepted that it happens and now they’re beginning to understand why. There’s all this clamoring about co2 and the climate and, IMO, we have a much more serious problem on hand with this crap. It is absolutely everywhere they look for it. We keep this up, we’re going to collapse the oceanic food chain, starting at the very bottom with all the tiny filter feeders.
     
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