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Jfk Jr.'s Death Was No Accident

Discussion in 'Conspiracies & Paranormal' started by Joe Riley, Aug 31, 2016.

  1. Dwight Ward

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    I'm going to answer in broad strokes because you, yourself, are not very specific in your skepticism about 'conspiracy theories.' You're correct that most conspiracy theorists are right-leaning. A possible reason for this is that the power structure, at the moment, is definitely left-leaning. It necessarily follows that resistance to the power elite be of the opposite stripe. If the the power structure were right-leaning then the resistance to it would be more leftist.

    Re: Kennedys - I don't regard the family as particularly virtuous but it appears that some members were (hard to believe) actually on the side of humanity and, more specifically, the American public. It was necessary to eliminate them.

    I've been pursuing these issues since the 70s. There really is a conspiracy of old families, wealthy corporations, bizarre individuals and technocratic managers to control the world and make us slaves. If you can't see this, then we have not much common ground to have a sensible conversation.
     
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  2. Ron Beforee

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    First let me say I know nothing about flying ......... never even been in a plane.

    Also let me say, never was a fan of the Kennedy clan but ......... He JR struck me as a pretty smart guy, self sufficient , confident, etc.

    It just struck me odd that a guy like him would take his wife & sister-in-law on a flight that he did not feel confident in taking . Given the weather he knew, and his skills he was confident with.

    As such ..... IMO something went horribly wrong with the plane.
     
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    This was wonderful to see and listen to Joe, thank you so much. I had never hear John speak before. I probably still had my head buried in the sand ;( So great to know more about him from his own words, and personality :( and I would believe in a minute he was taken out by someone who didn't "once again" want the truth to come out :(
     
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    My son was still getting his rating at the same airport that JFK, Jr. had his plane. When my son heard the news of the crash, he was not surprised, as he felt, John, Jr. would take chances he shouldn't have. His plane was parked next to the one my boy flew in and they'd chat from time to time. He thought Kennedy had the idea that he was more qualified than he actually was. Sad ending for such a promising young man.
     
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  5. John West

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    Yours is similar to information I got from multiple sources - that and the fact that he DID NOT have an IFR rating or experience, making him highly susceptible to spatial disorientation. You have to learn to believe the instruments and not what your body is telling you, which is extremely difficult for those not trained to do so. As I understand it, he was flying in conditions without a lot visual references. Bottom Line: JFK Jr. was not a skilled pilot!
     
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    In an attempt to put this JFK Jr. thing to bed, here's what the AOPA (Airplane Owners and Pilots Association) had to say about it - 10 Mistakes JFK Jr. Made.
     
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  7. Jeff Elohim

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    Since a militia type scenario has happened, did you move ? Where is it any better? Seems to be world wide evil plots.

    Evil plots have been part and parcel of most governments for many if not all generations - and life goes on.

    Then it stops.

    The alternative (freedom from evil plots) ?

    Truth.
     
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  8. Lois Winters

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    Exactly, John West. My son thought it was odd after hearing what had happened that Kennedy left without either and instructor or filing a flight plan. He said Kennedy always had his instructor with him.
     
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    Well .... in your attempt to "put this to bed" :) You have peaked my interest even more.

    After reading the above now I wonder if it was a suicide ?? Suicide pack ? he & wife .... but then there's the sister in-law ........... another ??

    I guess I'm way off ..... it's just a strange case.

    The whole Kennedy clan it seems, leaves more questions, than answers when they pass.
     
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  10. John West

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    History would suggest the Kennedy boys were better at being somewhat charismatic than flying or driving. Suicide is, IMHO, a bit of a stretch given the kid's ambitions.
     
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    Loss of vision and equilibrium flying in dense off shore fog. Vertigo. By the way we taxpayers paid the tab of 14 million to recover the aircraft and bodies. Nothing mechanical was found just a high impact of the plane at high speed.
     
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  12. Joe Riley

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    Clinton Body Count Series: #3. John F Kennedy Jr. dared to run for the same Senate seat as Hillary!



    "John F. Kennedy, Jr. checked in with the FAA Tower at Martha’s Vineyard at 9:39 p.m. on July 16, 1999. This check-in activates two alarm systems: one if the plane thereafter descends below 100’ outside the landing area, another if the plane fails to land within five minutes. Each alert should trigger an alarm and a search, but no focused search was begun for 15+ hours. The delay was required by his killers to find the downed plane and remove the battery from the cockpit voice recorder, remove the Flight Log that listed all passengers and remove the body of the Certified Flight Instructor who was on the plane. Contrary to standard procedure, the Pentagon took control of the civilian crash and “disappeared” crucial evidence."

    Excerpts of the video:

    "The search of the crash site was delayed an incomprehensible 15 hours. There was a flight instructor on the plane, whose body is missing, and even his chair. Either someone on that plane committed suicide, shutting off the Fuel Control Valve, or it was shut off by remote control, before plunging the plane into the sea."

    More excerpts:
    "There are so many facts that point to the plane crash not being an accident. The official National Transportation Safety Board report was published thirteen months after the crash and despite the fact that it concluded that "the accident that killed Kennedy was caused by an inexperienced pilot" there are many contradictions in that report that show foul play.’ Here are a few:

    "Media reports that the plane went down in poor visibility are untrue. The Tower manager at Martha's Vineyard (where the plane went down) says there were stars out and that visibility was between 10 and 12 miles that night"
     
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  13. Lois Winters

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    There was no flight instructor. If there had been, they'd have never left NJ with the weather getting so bad and darkness descending.
     
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    Maybe the mafia did it because Bobby forced them to kill Jimmy Hoffa.
     
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  15. Joe Riley

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    One can never uncover the truth, by smothering the search for it. The truth will withstand the bright light of day, on its own.

    In the 15 hours, before the "search" began, and the 5 days before the plane & bodies were found & recovered, the truth was effectively killed along with the passengers.

    The rush
    to autopsy/examination, cremation & burial at sea was unprecedented. Why did the FAA, Pentagon, Navy, along with the Family rush to bury the truth?

    "The bodies of JFK Jr., Carolyn and Lauren were recovered on July 21, 1999 — five days after the crash — examined that afternoon, and cremated just hours later. By the next morning, their ashes had been scattered at sea, which meant they couldn’t be re-examined at a later point in time. “My recollection is that the family tried not even to have autopsies done,” forensic examiner Cyril Wecht shares."

    We may never learn the full truth, but this section in the forum should allow our questions to be asked.
     
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