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The Honduran Horde

Discussion in 'Politics & Government' started by Hal Pollner, Oct 22, 2018.

  1. Tex Dennis

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    There is an easy solution to the immigration caravans and other illegal immigration.

    1 - Heavy Fines for any employer that hires an illegal unknowingly, jail time for 2nd offense.
    2 - Jail time for any employer that hires an illegal knowingly, lose of business and assets as well.
    3 - Same penalties for housing illegals
    4 - Fines to any State or Local Government that assists any illegal with medical, housing, food, etc.
    5 - Termination of Employment and loss of benefits for any public employee that contributes to 1 thru 5 above.

    No work, No housing, No greater way of life in the USA for illegals and they will not come here illegally.

    This will not happen should though.
     
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  2. Martin Alonzo

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    One problem they are coming for well fare not jobs
     
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    If we stopped thinking of the border as the major standoff point and focused on where the caravan is at present, I do think things might change.
    The Mexican government military in partnership with the U.S. military could form a police action type of scenario where the caravan is located at the present time. With whatever force is necessary, stop them and then bring in the combined border patrols and customs of Mexico and the U.S. to process the illegals where they stand.
    We, the U.S. would be under the lead of the Mexican government (hosting country) so any action, positive or negative would be on the shoulders of the Mexican leadership and not on the U.S.

    We’re on the world stage and the world is waiting to see how we react to the situation. Instead of the U.S. border being scrutinized by the world, let it be Mexico who gains or loses popularity on said stage.

    To me, the Mexican president and the country of Mexico has relatively nothing to lose with such a proposition. Financially, militarily and politically, the Mexican government would gain in that it would at last be spotlighted for the rest of the world to take notice.
     
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  4. Martin Alonzo

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    Bobby I think that would be a good idea it would also give the media a great gift saying Trump is sticking his noise in other countries business. They are now flying in NU troops which would be even better because the US can say it is not us.
     
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  5. Bobby Cole

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    It could indeed be a boon for CNN and such but not if we make the whole thing Nieto’s idea.
    If our powers that be suggest a cooperative police action and Nieto openly invites the U.S. to help out, the world will see it as his idea and he will get the credit for the “peace keeping police action” and not Trump.
     
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    I don't see this caravan as a big threat to the United States.

    The last caravan of approx. 1,500 people 374 were granted temporary asylum pending an investigation, 122 were arrested and the remainder were turned back or never made it as far as the border.

    So far this year the CBP has turned away over 200,000 inadmissible people and apprehended/detained over 360,000.

    IMO the current border controls are working as designed and the whole idea of an approaching invasion force is just divisive hype.
     
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  7. Martin Alonzo

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    Beatrice Last caravan was !,500 I could not find this number but believe it is true. This caravan is any where from 7,000 to possibly 10,000 that fine and how many in the next after you let them in will not be long and it will be in millions. Same as the unruly mobs they have in the EU
     
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    So far there has not been the slightest evidence in three years suggesting that refugees were or even had to be paid to try and make it to Europe, and by Europe they chiefly mean Germany. They had to pay up to about $4000 to people smugglers resident and operating in northern Africa and the Levant. There were no "big ships" but mostly floating coffins and rubber dinghies.
    What had made an enormous impact on refugees and those toying with the idea of migrating to Europe and what lots of politicians had underestimated reprehensibly was videos going viral and being watched by refugees on their cell phones. Those videos promised them that everyone (!) would get a house, a flat and a job in Germany and that they would be decently subsidised by the German state. And they believed that. Also those welcome videos showing Ms Merkel (head of state) with refugees who'd finally covered 3000 miles and more did their bit...
    Migration in huge numbers would have gone on endlessly if the Balkan route had not been closed with that fence. Europe would simply have been overrun.
     
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  9. Tex Dennis

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    When to comes right down to crossing something not good sure will take place
     
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  10. Martin Alonzo

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    This all is planned by someone if you think 7,000 people one morning woke up and sad lets go on a trek to the US some even quitting their jobs. Photos of people handing out money just at the time they thought about leaving also having food and lodging set up ahead of time. The media was there to see them all walking when the camera is turn off they get on trucks and buses. Like what happen in Europe the camera were there to see the rubber rafts and all those thousands of life preservers left on the beach but not many of these big NGO boats that were waiting off shore to pick everyone up and take them. Here is a video of those NGO boats being tracked
    people trafficking
     
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    When I saw the pics of Honduran crowds on their long way to Texas I was instantly reminded of what was happening on the Balkan route in Europe three years ago. Pretty much the same pictures. Yet here the similarities may end.
    Meanwhile, migration routes have been shifted to the Mediterranean Sea. As far as Europe is concerned migration to it has never been masterminded, though. It was sparked off by the devastating war in Syria entailing some copycat effects in Afghanistan, Iraq as well as northern and sub-Saharian Africa. Europe is not the US for it consists of 28 EU and a couple of other European countries. In contrast to the US, which is one nation, the last thing you can expect in Europe is consensus. The EU and Europe as a whole is deeply divided with each country having its own agenda. Unfortunately, this European heterogeneity is often ignored but should always be considered if one tries to understand what's going on in Europe.
    1. Talking of trucks and buses which refugees got on. In some countries along the Balkan route buses, trucks, and even trains were offered to them to cover certain distances - yet not because the trek was masterminded but because of the selfish motives of each country along the route. In that cyclopean chaos of those days refugees were stopped temporarily at each border which led to catastrophic conditions and to hectic consultations among all countries concerned. Once a decision was taken, each country wanted to get rid of the refugees as soon as possible. That's why they were offered transport - to the next border and, finally, to Germany. Pure selfishness or national interest reigned and has done so up until the present day. No refugees, no problems.
    2. Talking of ships on the Mediterranean Sea. We have to understand that there are different actors and, thus, different ships on it: "ships" and the like provided by people traffickers (floating coffins, rubber rafts); boats of the European FRONTEX patrol force; boats of NGOs and international aid organisations like Doctors without Borders; boats of the Libyan coast guard. They are all different players with different interests and goals.
    "Like what happen in Europe the camera were there to see the rubber rafts and all those thousands of life preservers left on the beach but not many of these big NGO boats that were waiting off shore to pick everyone up and take them." (Quote MA)
    The cameras filmed independent players in different situations but not a masterminded operation. Those who reached the shore left their life vests on the beach and travelled on as quickly as possible. NGO ships were patrolling in order to detect and pick up those people who didn't make it and risked drowning. There was massive TV coverage of them in particular because they did not act in agreement with official EU policy. They followed their own agenda.
    I watched the video and rate it as a concoction of half-truths, factoids, and false pretences describing a complex issue in too simplified and tendentious a manner. Some people would call it fake news.
     
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    This looks interesting: https://beforeitsnews.com/v3/war-and-conflict/2018/2470428.html
    Actually, the entire site looks interesting: https://beforeitsnews.com/classic_v2/#block_top_categories
     
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    Is treating humans like humans a bad thing?
     
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  14. Martin Alonzo

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    Europe treated humans like humans and now being raped. There is some humans need to make their own life where they are and not listen to people saying the grass is greener on the other side
     
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    No, we treat bank robbers and any other person who breaks the law like humans and as humans and not animals, when they break the law they pay a price...as humans.
     
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