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Vitamin Supplements & Dosage

Discussion in 'Health & Wellness' started by Cody Fousnaugh, Mar 29, 2017.

  1. Thomas Windom

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    We each eat two Brazil nuts every morning with breakfast. They are really high in Selenium.

    “In the case of Brazil nuts and their selenium content, it is recommended that adults eat no more than 5 nuts at a time as that will bring them to the maximum amount of selenium they should consume. WebMD outlines some signs of selenium toxicity to look out for, which include gastrointestinal problems, brittle hair and nails, joint pain, and tiredness, and reveals that in more serious cases, consumers have experienced kidney failure, heart failure, and heart attacks.”

    Read More: https://www.tastingtable.com/844486/the-maximum-amount-of-brazil-nuts-you-can-safely-eat-each-day/
     
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  2. Cody Fousnaugh

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    What we could never really figure out is the difference between Fish Oil and Krill Oil. We used Fish Oil for a long time, but we'd also burp up fish oil scent. After doing some research on both, we switched over to Krill Oil. We don't burp up Krill Oil at all!

    We don't eat fish that much, but the very best fish we've had was Culver's Cod and I absolutely love Golden Corral Buffet Catfish. Lightly coated and delicious! We also both love Golden Corral Buffet deep fried shrimp.

    Believe this or not, when we lived here in Colorado before, on weekends we'd go to local lake/reservoir and catch quit a bit of Rainbow Trout. I'd fillet each and we'd put in freezer. However, we never ate any we caught. Ended up throwing it all away.
     
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    I was recently able to try Snakehead at a nice local restaurant. They are considered invasive to the Chesapeake and feeder tributaries but they do taste good. White flesh, mild taste, worth a try if you see it available.
     
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    The compounding pharmacy I get my premixed antibiotic from (Rx3) also does nutrition counseling. I called them to spitball over what things a man of my age with no symptoms might want to test for in order to put together a supplement program, and they offer a blood test to get started with. The test also makes specific dosage recommendations where appropriate. This is way closer to what I've been looking for. They use a traveling phlebotomist to draw blood, so it can be done in the pharmacy next week when I pick up my script.

    The business they do this through is SpectraCell Labs. The test costs $400, is missing a couple of things the other $800 test covers, but includes a bunch of tests for amino acids, fatty acids, antioxidents, metabolites, carb metabolism, and "proprietary" antioxident function and immune system response tests.

    Here is what they test for:

    Vitamins
    • Vitamin A
    • Vitamin B1
    • Vitamin B2
    • Vitamin B3
    • Vitamin B6
    • Vitamin B12
    • Biotin
    • Folate
    • Pantothenate
    • Vitamin C
    • Vitamin D3
    • Vitamin K2
    Minerals
    • Calcium
    • Magnesium
    • Manganese
    • Zinc
    • Copper
    Amino Acids
    • Asparagine
    • Glutamine
    • Serine
    Fatty Acids
    • Oleic Acid
    Antioxidants
    • Alpha Lipoic Acid
    • Coenzyme Q10
    • Cysteine
    • Glutathione
    • Selenium
    • Vitamin E
    Carbohydrate Metabolism
    • Chromium
    • Fructose Sensitivity
    • Glucose-Insulin Metabolism
    Metabolites
    • Choline
    • Inositol
    • Carnitine
    Spectrox®
    Total Antioxidant Function

    Immunidex
    Immune Response Score

    A sample lab report can be found here on their website. It's too large a file size to upload here.
     
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    A very interesting idea. I wonder how much blood they have to draw to isolate all those lymphocytes. I think I have read there is a risk of liver damage in high levels of niacinamide supplementation though, which is not mentioned. Let us know if you decide to do it and how you feel about it.
     
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    I gotta think I'd die of niacin flush before I'd trash my liver! I tried B3 as cholesterol therapy, but ended up shedding all my clothes to avoid the irritation. It was quite the experience.

    I did not read the recommendations in that report to see if the lab is suggesting mega-doses. I'll have to go back and do that. This small independent pharmacy (Rx3) specialize in "nutrition & wellness." Their website states "Experienced staff members who specialize in nutrition and neutraceuticals." If they offer to sit down and go through the report (and I think they will), I'll certainly take them up on that...I'd learn something in the process, and I'd have someone I could have an interactive conversation with on this stuff. Of course, I'll post the experience here.

    I've set the appointment to have my blood drawn for this on Tuesday. Turnaround time is advertised as 10-14 days. In the meantime, I'll cobble together my notes & questions and research the brands of supplements they carry and are gonna recommend.

    As an aside, Rx3 was Virginia's first accredited compounding pharmacy (2007) and has been located in what was then a rural part of the state south of Richmond (Chester) ever since. They opened a second location in the western exurbs of Richmond (West End) in 2016, which happens to be just up the road from the office my urologist works out of. Their compounding lab remains in Chester.
     
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    When you take the niacin that causes flushing, that means it is actually doing its job, and from what I have read, it is the time-release niacin that is bad for the liver.
    I have learned, by trial and error, that you should NEVER take niacin on an empty stomach….. it magnifies the flushing something awful.
    Start with a small dose, like 25-50 mg, and gradually build up to taking that several times a day, and then increase the dose a little at a time. If you take the niacin when you eat, then you barely notice it as it goes about its business of healing the body.
    I take 250 mg twice a day, but it took me a while to work up to that amount. However, I know that it is very important for my heart because it opens the blood vessels and tiny capillaries, so for me, it was worth building up to a larger amount.
     
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    A long time ago I read something that said B Vitamins compete for absorption in our systems. So if you don't dose in reasonable proportions, the ones you dose the most of will diminish/prevent absorption of the others, thus inducing deficiencies of those lesser-dosed Bs.

    Perhaps the philosophy on this has changed. I'm sure I picked it up 30 years ago when I was into my initial data-gathering phase of supplementing.
     
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    All true, @Yvonne Smith. I used to take 1500 mg a day. You work up to that level, and your body gets accustomed to the niacin and the flushing is very mild. Diabetics must be careful, however, as niacin in large doses is said to increase blood sugar levels.
     
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    I had the blood drawn today, but forgot to ask the capacity of the vials. The phlebotomist drew 2 vials that were a little fatter than what I think a test tube is, and about 3/4 the length of one. They were certainly larger than the vials I'm used to seeing when other tests were run.

    I guess that's not real specific.
     
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    I have a new doc .... coming tomorrow . If I can remember, I'll ask her.
     
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    What color were the tube tops? Did you notice?
     
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    MAYBE purple. Between urology and nephrology I've seen a lot of vials recently.
     
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