What's The Basic Problem With Society Science?

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    Wisconsin legislature is now fighting this and the vaccine passport. We all must push harder!
     
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    Not my state.

    My governor let felons out of jail and restored their voting rights, and then asked for extra jail funds in anticipation of all the honest citizens he was gonna make criminals of when he passed a bunch of anti-gun laws.

    Of course, he flaunted his own Executive Mask Orders from the get-go.

    By the way, I've posted this before. Here is a picture from Virginia's Governor's college yearbook page. He called his opponent a racist during the campaign:

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    He actually won.
    On the Democrat ticket.​
     
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    Don't you think that much of what you are asking for falls under acquiring critical thinking skills? That the lack of critical thinking skills applies not only to science but to other areas as well?
     
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    Indoctrination somes into play when supported evidence is ignored and perspectives and beliefs are taught in their place without credible evidence to back them up.
     
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    Generalities are inherrently incorrect. Further the only opinions worth considering are those based on supported and supportable evidence from reputable sources. I am not willing to consider anothers view when there is nothing to back up their opinion except what they want to believe. In conversations I have had spanning years with those of opposing views none have been able to defend what they are saying with credible evidence. They only continue to voice their own beliefs on the topic with nothing to support them.
     
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    Far too many people believe that a reputable source is one that says things they agree with, which is why liberals consider the New York Times, the Washington Post, and CNN to be reputable sources, and they'd love it if we all allowed them to be the arbiters of truth.
     
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    To put it IOW....Nobody wants to be wrong.
     
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    I agree. And I'd take it one level down. Nobody wants to be accountable for being wrong. So they get to hide behind the "experts." And this ties into the control aspect of all this that we frequently talk about.

    -Decide what they want people to do
    -Choose their mouthpiece and call them "Expert"
    -Have "Expert" put forth the propaganda that causes people to react in the intended manner

    Here's where I have to be careful to not go down the myriad rabbit holes. Let's just say that suddenly no one seems to feel they have to have any substantiation for personally believing "Expert." The onus is suddenly on those who are independent-minded to prove "why not." (I often point out that if neither of us is "Expert," then neither of us has the skills to decide who to believe or not believe. That makes heads explode.)

    Perhaps your observation that "no one wants to be wrong" best encapsulates it. When you fear being wrong, you stop learning. And you fear being found out. So you hide in the mob, and become part of it.
     
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    You can check for media bias here: Media Bias/Fact Check - Search and Learn the Bias of News Media (mediabiasfactcheck.com) for the record I obtain my information from the least biased sources I can find. I want the truth whether I like it or not. Further far too many people mistake commnetary for news reporting.
     
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    Good, if true.
    All those who seek the truth , and keep seeking the truth, not trusting mankind, not trusting science, not trusting what men hold in high esteem,
    is necessary if truly someone "wants the truth". Finding the truth takes time usually, and going against the common thinking, including the so-called professionals and authorities, since they are wrong.

    Oh, the truth is totally testable, individually, as you will find out if you seek the truth and keep seeking the truth. The truth never changes, for one thing.
    And those elements in society that always lie ? They always lie, unless it benefits them to slip in a tiny bit of truth to gain someone's gullible confidence.

    Society and society's science are totally inclined to harm, to lead to destruction.

    It just so happens , or is a cause, also to be for profit, humongous profits frequently.

    They have admitted frequently in the past that they lie because they want more money. A century ago this was plainly published.
    In the last year it was frequently seen,
    and the ones seeking the profit discounted the ones telling the truth. They do not get along.
     
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