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What's Wrong With Qanon?

Discussion in 'Conspiracies & Paranormal' started by Dwight Ward, Aug 13, 2020.

  1. Yvonne Smith

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    I have no idea what will happen if Trump loses the election and we end up with a socialist government, but i don’t think that it will be a good thing. I think that it will be very bad, and that there would be a lot of rebellion if it looks like the election was not done fairly.
    I am neither Republican or Democrat, I am an Independent, but it looks to me that supporting the Republican Party as a whole is what needs to happen for Trump to win this time.
    There have already been pedophiles and other criminals weeded out from both parties, and i think that when it comes right down to it, Trump is for what is best for Americans, regardless of what his party wants to do.

    Taking away our freedoms and our ability to protect ourselves is a scary thought; but that is the direction that the liberals are heading for, it looks like.
    I think that they know that most local police departments will try to protect the people where they live, should we come to outright having to defend ourselves, and this is why they want the police defunded and rendered useless to protect people.
     
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  2. Martin Alonzo

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    My own guess is with of course no proof. If the election in any way looked false and Trump lost the military would step in and make martial law and I think the people would go along with it because it would clean up the media stop all rioting and stabilize the country and then hold another election for all offices. Or would that be just wish full thinking.
     
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  3. Dwight Ward

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    Let's hope it doesn't come to that.
     
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  4. Yvonne Smith

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    This is an election year, unlike any that we have ever had before. Rather than people choosing either the Republican, Democrat, or Independent candidate, people are polarized either for or against Trump.
    We either think that he is working for America and going to do his best to save this country from socialism and loss of freedom, or we think that Trump has destroyed this country, and anyone else but Trump would be preferable as president.
    Anyone.....


    No matter who wins, I think this is not going to go through easy. Even so, I am saying my prayers for this country, trusting God, and hoping for the best outcome possible.
    Worrying never solved anything.
     
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  5. Dwight Ward

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    "We either think that he is working for America and going to do his best to save this country from socialism and loss of freedom, or we think that Trump has destroyed this country, and anyone else but Trump would be preferable as president.
    Anyone..... "
    I'm at neither extreme. I agree with Trump about quite a few things and strongly disagree about others. I do notice that not many other people have any kind of nuanced opinion of him. Love him or hate him seem to be the only the choices for the majority.
    Worrying does solves the problem of having absolutely nothing on your mind at all.
     
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  6. Dwight Ward

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    “Fresh Prince” Reboot, QAnon in Congress & NYC’s Apple Plea |


    From 2 mins. to 4 mins. in this video Noah does a quick down and dirty hatchet job on Greene and QAnon. Because Greene had some things to say about George Soros she's called anti-semitic. There are other things said about racism and anti-islamism which are a stretch.

    Trevor Noah has lost his shine for me because of his stance towards South African protests while he lived there. This is from an article I don't have the link to right this second: but can get if anyone wants it:

    "The best example of this South African middle class hypocrisy, comes through one of its most cherished exports, the comedian Trevor Noah. As the host of the Daily Show, he is now being praised for his commentary about American police brutality. However, it wasn’t long ago when he described the murderous action taken by the police at Marikana as being appropriate. “Which strike has ever ended with teargas,” he joked."

    I found this article 'exposing' Greene as some kind of whack job. Instead, to anyone with a little background in the conspiracy, it is almost an endorsement.

    Marjorie Taylor Greene: Trump Congratulates QAnon Believer on Primary Win

    https://heavy.com/news/2020/06/marjorie-taylor-greene/
     
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  7. Martin Alonzo

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    Dose Q know what is going on or just a big guess.On Nov 1 2017 q posted what happened yesterday. and then posted today to verify. Try justify.
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    There will be a new Party...maybe the Patriot Party...and Trump will not step down until he has finished the job God had called him to do.
     
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    There's no doubt in my mind that Q knows exactly what has been and is and willbwill going on.
     
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  11. Dwight Ward

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    This is going to be difficult for me. I have some skill at analysis but I'm not a well-organized person and have limited energy and I can't put all that I want to say in a single long presentation.I will do it piecemeal and will do the best I can. Let me say I've been studying conspiracy theories since the internet began. Often it was for my own entertainment. (What are the crazy people saying now? )
    Yet, that some conspiracies theories were probably true was apparent to me. JFK most likely was killed by the military/CIA because he was pulling us out of Vietnam. A Senate committee.confirmed the basic fact if not the actual perpetrators.
    I'll start with an article debunking Out Of Shadows from DailyBeast.
    Inside ‘Out of Shadows’: The Bonkers Hollywood-Pedophilia ‘Documentary’ QAnon Loves

    I'll debunk some of the debunking. It will be in parts for the reasons I said above. I'll post the first part soon.
     
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    The fact-free “documentary” film features stuntmen-conspiracy theorists alleging Hollywood is run by Satanists and pedophiles. It’s racked up tens of millions of YouTube views.
    Over the weekend, Jenelle Evans, the 28-year-old influencer best known for starring in MTV’s Teen Mom 2—until she was fired when her husband shot and killed their pet dog—tweeted a message to her 1.3 million followers: “If you’re bored go watch Out of The Shadows on YouTube. <3 You’re welcome.”

    Evans was referring to Out of Shadows, a 77-minute “documentary” that appeared in April on YouTube, seemingly out of the blue, from a former stuntman named Mike Smith. The film alleges, among other things, that Hollywood is run by Satanic pedophilia rings that distribute propaganda through films like Zoolander, the music videos of Katy Perry and Lady Gaga, and a discreet set of symbols, including the words “television” (tell-a-vision), “channel” (psychic communication), and “Hollywood” (named, they say, for the holly plant—which is poisonous and was once used in Druid rituals).
    [nothing important enough to comment on so far]

    The movie came out to minimal fanfare, little publicity, and no credits or disclosures about its funding.

    ["no credits or disclosures about its funding. "] Sounds nefarious but it's not. The aforementioned Mike Smith evidently spent a good portion of his own net worth to make the movie without any desire to profit from it. That doesn't discredit the movie. To me, it speaks more to its validity.]

    But since then, the film has spread through the platforms of right-wing influencers like Evans, reaching an audience magnitudes larger than popular conspiracy videos like Plandemic. As of Aug. 5, Out of Shadows has over 20 million views on YouTube alone. It has been translated into a dozen different languages. An attorney for Smith estimated that, between its website and other platforms, the film had been watched “roughly 100 million times.”

    Out of Shadows never directly mentions QAnon—the formerly fringe, far-right conspiracy theory whose proponents believe Donald Trump, who has appeared in dozens of films and TV shows, is waging an underground war on Democratic and Hollywood pedophiles—but it traffics in nearly identical material. “It does this really hard job of avoiding QAnon,” said Mike Rains, a QAnon researcher who produces the conspiracy-debunking podcast Poker Politics. One of just five sources who appear in the movie is Liz Crokin, a former tabloid writer-turned-QAnon adherent

    ["Liz Crokin, a former tabloid writer" Is this the best way to describe Crokin? "tabloid writer" sounds only a step above crack dealer. Crokin interned at the State Department and was a reporter for the Chicago Tribune. She did write for various tabloids but now describes herself as an investigative journalist, which she most certainly is.]

    (“Liz really dialed it back a lot in that movie,” Rains said. “She’s this hardcore QAnon promoter.”) And recently, when another Out of Shadows subject

    [ "another Out of Shadows subject" Why can't they say "Kevin Shipp" whose CIA bonafides are not questioned in the article?]

    called the conspiracy a “PsyOp” on Twitter, prompting a miniature war among believers, Smith released a statement against his own source.

    [Here, disagreement among 'believers', as they're scathingly referred to is supposed to be some kind of negative evidence. Wait a minute, though. If this loose collection of beliefs were really a religion of a sort, wouldn't everyone be in lockstep? That there is variation among these folks as to the crimes and the sources of those crimes speaks more to the possible authenticity of the conspiracy theory than otherwise. Some believe in demons, some in aliens, some in pure human agency. These people are not all of a piece as fringe 'believers' are supposed to be.]

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  13. Yvonne Smith

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    As with anything, not everyone is going to agree about what is truly going on in the world today. People who don’t want to think about it, just go with whatever the propaganda is that comes from the sold-out , controlled media.
    The rest of us, who are searching for truth, whatever it turns out to be, are trying to put together a puzzle with no discernible picture, and lots of confusing little pieces.
    We just have to try each piece and see where it fits, if it even does, and prepared to change our viewpoint as we discover new information.

    One of the well-known tricks of the government is disinformation. So, when someone reports on something that is different than the official story, then they put out a lot of similar, but not very plausible stories that confuse the narrative.
    As an example, the creature we call Bigfoot. There have been what are probably credible sightings, but now there are also obviously fake ones, and silly movies that make it seem like nothing about a Bigfoot could be taken seriously.
    People for generations and all over the world have reported the existence of this kind of a creature, but those accounts are now written off because of the fake ones.

    There is no reason for the fringe believer element to see everything the same way, either, and there are many different ideas circulating around about what Qanon is actually.
    I think that it is just something that we have to watch and see. If President Trump is really leading this nation to a better time, and more peace and prosperity, then that is wonderful.
    If he loses the election (or if he is not who he says he is), then I think that this country is going to be much worse than anything we might expect it to be, and America and the whole world will be under totalitarian control.
    The only hope for good that I can see, is that if Trump wins, and Qanon is real; so that is the direction I am going to go with.
     
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    ... a gathering of things I've looked at since the 1990s - brought back to my very faulty memory by a viewing of the video The Fall Of Cabal:

    Illuminati
    New World Order
    Skull and Bones
    Roshani.
    Scroll and Key
    Freemasons
    The Order
    The Brotherhood
    The Nazi Party
    The Communist Party
    Order of the Quest
    Jason Society
    Kabbala
    Knights Templar
    Knights of Malta
    Knights of Columbus
    Jesuits
    Rosicrusians
    Council on Foreign Relations
    The Group
    The Brotherhood of the Bell ( fiction? )
    The Brotherhood of the Dragon
    Royal Institute of International Affairs
    Trilateral Commission
    Bilderberg Group
    The Vatican
    Russell Trust
    Church of Satan

    Many of these groups are a training ground for sociopaths. Bless us all.
     
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    I have been a multi year addict to Q drops. Up, down, round n round till my head spins. Who is he/she/it? Perhaps the best Deep Fake to come out of the mind of man? Or perhaps the "Q" from the Star Trek series. An entity almost God like, but a stranger to attributes that engender likeability or trust. Or maybe a Quantum computer AI entity. Q hinted at much. Maybe results down the road?
     
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