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Which Is More Important To You - Faith Or Logic?

Discussion in 'Philosophy & Psychology' started by Lon Tanner, Dec 2, 2020.

  1. Jeff Elohim

    Jeff Elohim Very Well-Known Member
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    Simple, but most people put their faith in man, so they receive and live/or die/ with an on-going curse from the Creator.
     
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  2. Lois Winters

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    Why is it that when the word faith is mentioned, people immediately associate it with religion.

    Faith comes in all shapes and sizes, but logic does not.

    Thus, in my case, one hasn't a relationship with the other comparatively.
     
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  3. Jeff Elohim

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    Because the origin of faith in the Creator, is the Creator, not of the flesh, not logical, nor reasonable, but sheer grace a gift from the Creator as He Pleases and as He Says.
     
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  4. Beth Gallagher

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    You missed Lois's point. Once again, you have put a religious definition on "faith". The word "faith" is not necessarily a religious term.
     
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  5. Ken Anderson

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    Belief, faith, religion, and spirituality are terms that can be synonymous, depending on the context, yet they are individual words with unique definitions, and don't mean the same thing.

    For example, I may believe that my next order of Black Rifle Coffee is going to arrive at about the same time of the month as my last orders of Black Rifle Coffee. There is nothing religious in that. On the other hand, I may state that my belief is in Jesus Christ, and that would be religious in nature.

    I might have faith that the person I voted for in November is going to do what he promised to do in January. That might be naive, but it's not religious. Of course, if I say that my faith is in Christ, in the tenets of Christianity, or in a particular flavor of Christianity, that would be religious.

    The most common definition of religion would suggest that those who adhere to a religion are religious, but religion doesn't necessarily involve the worship of a deity. Religion can simply be a pursuit or interest to which someone ascribes supreme importance. This (and the Supreme Court) is how rabid atheists can rightfully be said to be religious.

    Spirituality is harder to define. In the context of the belief and worship of a deity, it would involve belief, faith, and religion, but spirituality could also refer to a worldview or the pursuit of a purpose in life.

    Belief might suggest the acceptance of something or someone as being real. In the context of Christianity, the Bible suggests that Satan believed in God and in Jesus Christ, but he didn't worship them. Faith adds worship and devotion to belief, and people who come together under the banner of shared beliefs may create or become part of a religion, and spirituality adds another dimension to religiosity.

    But faith doesn't necessarily imply devotion to a deity or to a religion. As with other words, it depends on the context.
     
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  6. Lois Winters

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    He didn't read my entire comment, Beth. Have a great year my friend.
     
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  7. Beth Gallagher

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    Thanks, sweet friend. I hope you have a great year, too.
     
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    Faith is faith. If you set out to drive across the country, you have faith you will make it or you wouldn't embark on such a journey. Having faith in spiritual things is the same regardless of religion. A suicide Muslim bomber has faith that he will inherit virgins in heaven for his deeds. It seems logical to him based on his upbringing and beliefs. To most of us, it isn't logical to give our life for some physical fantasy that will be experienced in a spiritual realm. o_O

    I don't see faith and logic being opposites. It is logical for one to have faith in something to stay firm in their beliefs. It is logical, based on statistics, for one to have faith that their cross-country trip will be successful. :)
     
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  9. Alan Sidlo

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    i don't know any more... or any less... nor have any ideas of what to believe in lately. while searching for knowledge about healing herbs, i would ignore much of the dogma which the shaman would pile on to resemble a ritual. only later realizing the affect of beliefs.

    Health beliefs and attributions

    "The beliefs and attributions that people hold can influence their health by affecting their behaviour (such as attendance at a screening programme; the food they eat; whether they take prescribed medication), or more directly by affecting a physiological system (such as the immune or cardiovascular systems). "

    i guess i can believe in as much as someone else believes in regards to their condition?
     
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